tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808227584959676379.post2652871375389083695..comments2023-06-28T07:56:10.910-04:00Comments on In Progress: This Idea Must DiePeter H of Lebohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03960259139631190172noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808227584959676379.post-81453753639207012562015-03-01T11:37:29.594-05:002015-03-01T11:37:29.594-05:00I must admit that when I first heard about this id...I must admit that when I first heard about this idea -- killing off ideas that were impeding scientific advance -- I thought it was pretty cool and a somewhat innovative way of thinking about scientific inquiry. After all, we all know that no one puts new wine into old wineskins.<br /><br />But then the more I read about the actual proposals for the dustheap of history, I discovered that these essays weren't so much about casting off deadend ideas but were more about each scientist pushing his or her own beloved theory. Maybe that was the point: just a gimmick to get a conversation started.<br /><br />On your second comment, I agree that empirical testing should be the target every bit of scientific inquiry. But, the question is this: if something is untestible, does that take it out of the realm of science altogether, or perhaps a better way to say it, is that something about whcih scientists should not concern themselves? I think that having smart well-trained scientists thinking about anything is probably a good thing, and as Sean Carroll points out, just because we can't test something now, doesn't foreclose us from being able to test in the future.<br /><br />As for you thought that we need to re-think what is meant by truth and falsity (clearly these concepts have already lost much of their weight in quantum mechanics), one of the included essays actually makes that very proposal. Although that proposal is made by actor Alan Alda (Edge also poses its questions to non-scientists). His thoughts, as well as some of the other essays in the book, can be found in the Guardian article:<a href="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/12/what-scientific-idea-is-ready-for-retirement-edge-org" rel="nofollow">What scientific idea is ready for retirement?</a>Big Mykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488250533536442903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808227584959676379.post-79278588935400841902015-03-01T09:17:19.559-05:002015-03-01T09:17:19.559-05:00Now, I stated in a comment years ago that perhaps ...Now, I stated in a comment years ago that perhaps science's criteria for 'truthness'' will change, and that very well may happen as is hinted by these two scientists. The definition of science and its practice is only what we say it is. It is king presently, and everyone from psychologists to economists want to get under the science umbrella, so there is pressure to change the rigorous testing of science. <br /><br />Personally I would like to have something, maybe it will no longer be called science, but something that studies events that are repeatable, such as chemistry, physics, and biology. Now, perhaps we will find that even those areas are not strictly repeatable, and maybe all science will have to change its focus. But until then, I think empirical testing should be the hallmark of science.James Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871338738388893364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808227584959676379.post-30650144955941446072015-03-01T08:15:31.928-05:002015-03-01T08:15:31.928-05:00There may be many ideas in science that should die...There may be many ideas in science that should die, e.g. the idea that ideas in science are in some sense true and shouldn't die, but in my humble opinion the two presented here sound like two intelligent people lobbying for more research money for their specific areas of expertise. <br /><br />Essentially they both admit that eliminating empirical falsifiability harkens to philosophy. They should have pursued that more because empirical testing is what science is. Without empirical falsifiability you have become the hated philosopher. <br /><br />Both of their ideas, while noble and should be pursued, are not science, but philosophy. One may speculate about a non universe realm, but it is not science until it can be tested. You can speculate about non testable ideas, but that is not science until you can test them. James Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871338738388893364noreply@blogger.com